The third one is the one that she's referring to?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> So I like the-- but they have to produce and they would have also feedback from the teacher
like you cannot control what is going on and you don't leave them like to the wild
without knowing where they're going.
>> Okay, so they need some guidance.
>> It's really-- it's really sort of harnessing the power of output processing.
There-- they're developing hypotheses.
They're testing them and then they're negotiating where
and why they fail or didn't fail.
>> Other opinions?
>> I guess is Shaffer connected with the B,
modality B. Are we doing modalities or are we doing--
>> That's number 1 here.
>> Uh-huh.
>> I feel like that one-- so modality B conscious induction is guided discovery
like they figured out themselves but guided-- through guided practice.
>> Okay.
>> But still they're in charge of the "ah ha", right?
>> Is it different from the one that they chose, that Veronica
and Vince chose, or is it the same or?
>> The only thing that I thought about the first one is like what Elena was pointing out before
like you really have to be aware of the metalinguistic level.
>> So maybe, there I didn't find that particular element
of the guidance of professor like [inaudible].
>> The difference I can see here and that's what I highlighted this is,
it's the notion of feedback.
It doesn't seem to be mentioned in the first one.
So all these different definitions are kind of going in the same direction
but they have different features.
So feedback seems to be an important feature here, but not over there.
This one-- the teacher presents a rule at the end so they engage in the process
of inductive learning but in the end, the teacher presents the right rules.
So it's kind of-- and this tends
to be the typical contrast you make between induction and deduction.
So deduction starts with the rules, the most general to the specific and here, in induction,
you start from the specific to the general.
So you get to the rule at the end.
That would be this option here, number 2 on the screen.