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The third one is the one
that she's referring to?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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>> So I like the-- but they have to produce and
they would have also feedback from the teacher

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like you cannot control what is going on
and you don't leave them like to the wild

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without knowing where they're going.

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>> Okay, so they need some guidance.

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>> It's really-- it's really sort of
harnessing the power of output processing.

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There-- they're developing hypotheses.

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They're testing them and then
they're negotiating where

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and why they fail or didn't fail.

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>> Other opinions?

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>> I guess is Shaffer connected with the B,

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modality B. Are we doing
modalities or are we doing--

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>> That's number 1 here.

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>> Uh-huh.

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>> I feel like that one-- so modality B
conscious induction is guided discovery

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like they figured out themselves but
guided-- through guided practice.

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>> Okay.

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>> But still they're in charge
of the "ah ha", right?

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>> Is it different from the one
that they chose, that Veronica

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and Vince chose, or is it the same or?

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>> The only thing that I thought about the first
one is like what Elena was pointing out before

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like you really have to be aware
of the metalinguistic level.

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>> So maybe, there I didn't
find that particular element

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of the guidance of professor like [inaudible].

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>> The difference I can see here and
that's what I highlighted this is,

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it's the notion of feedback.

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It doesn't seem to be mentioned
in the first one.

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So all these different definitions
are kind of going in the same direction

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but they have different features.

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So feedback seems to be an important
feature here, but not over there.

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This one-- the teacher presents a rule
at the end so they engage in the process

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of inductive learning but in the end,
the teacher presents the right rules.

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So it's kind of-- and this tends

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to be the typical contrast you make
between induction and deduction.

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So deduction starts with the rules, the most
general to the specific and here, in induction,

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you start from the specific to the general.

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So you get to the rule at the end.

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That would be this option
here, number 2 on the screen.