WEBVTT 00:00:00.005 --> 00:00:08.001 So the first, number 2, the issue of age comes in from metalinguistic awareness 00:00:08.001 --> 00:00:10.008 and the question of whether native speakers, you know, they talk about this. 00:00:10.008 --> 00:00:13.005 The native speakers often aren't metalinguistically aware. 00:00:13.005 --> 00:00:18.001 Do we really need metalinguistic awareness at any level? 00:00:18.001 --> 00:00:22.009 So 5 is more comprehensive across-- 00:00:22.009 --> 00:00:24.000 >> The question itself. 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:25.000 >> Like it's more relevant. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:26.008 Yeah. It's more relevant to me. 00:00:26.008 --> 00:00:30.000 >> Oh, you're raising good points over number 2, right, in terms of metalinguistic, 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.003 being metalinguistically aware and you're actually raising one point 00:00:33.003 --> 00:00:37.000 which is whether native speakers are metalinguistically aware or not. 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.006 In many cases they're not, but then the followup question is, do they have to be, 00:00:40.006 --> 00:00:45.004 do they have to be exactly the same or in other words the backdrop 00:00:45.004 --> 00:00:49.009 to this is do non-native speakers follow the same process of learning a language, 00:00:49.009 --> 00:00:52.004 the second language as the native speakers do, and if it's not the same, 00:00:52.004 --> 00:00:55.005 then the rules are different of course. 00:00:55.005 --> 00:00:59.005 Unless of course you say, no, it has to be the same procedure, the same process. 00:00:59.005 --> 00:01:02.003 That's, in that case of course, you need to compare them 00:01:02.003 --> 00:01:04.008 and they have to match almost exactly. 00:01:04.008 --> 00:01:09.002 Any other question and we'll get to that question as well, again not in a lot of detail 00:01:09.002 --> 00:01:12.000 but I just wanna mention a couple of things which in the context 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.005 of today's discussion of grammar is important. 00:01:14.005 --> 00:01:16.009 >> I was gonna say that I learned English as a second language 00:01:16.009 --> 00:01:21.008 when I was young learning all those, you know, this is relative noun and relative pronoun 00:01:21.008 --> 00:01:26.006 and verb and I had a hard time, you know, capturing all those features of those terms, 00:01:26.006 --> 00:01:32.009 but then later on, I kinda was able to-- when I was growing older, I was able to kinda, 00:01:32.009 --> 00:01:36.008 you know, organize all this information to develop into my own, you know, 00:01:36.008 --> 00:01:39.003 language learning system when I got older. 00:01:39.003 --> 00:01:47.000 So at that point, maybe a linguistic awareness is not very helpful for young children 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.006 to learn language in a way, but it might help them 00:01:49.006 --> 00:01:56.003 to organize those information later on maybe depending on the age. 00:01:56.003 --> 00:02:00.002 >> It also depends on how you get the metalinguistic awareness. 00:02:00.002 --> 00:02:04.000 If somebody tells you or you get it by yourself. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.009 >> That's a good point too and we'll get to that point as well. 00:02:07.009 --> 00:02:13.000 >> I guess it also depends on whether on the country, the process from-- 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:18.004 I'm from Russia and there we do learn all the parts of speech and grammatical categories 00:02:18.004 --> 00:02:22.006 in school and we know that in our native language so that helps 00:02:22.006 --> 00:02:26.000 to learn any other foreign language, but if you come here, 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:33.003 you need to make sure you explain what is what, what is a noun, what is a verb, subject, object. 00:02:33.003 --> 00:02:40.001 If you want to explain the grammar in those terms, or you have to find some other way 00:02:40.001 --> 00:02:47.000 to explain things without referring to metalinguistic terminology. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:53.007 >> Which also really sort of feeds back into what are the cultural expectations 00:02:53.007 --> 00:02:57.000 and conventions surrounding metalinguistic awareness. 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:02.005 This all feeds into the school systems of any given country and what are the values associated 00:03:02.005 --> 00:03:06.009 with learning, of any body of knowledge. 00:03:06.009 --> 00:03:10.007 >> Certainly the institutional context in which the teaching 00:03:10.007 --> 00:03:12.907 and learning takes place makes a big impact in terms of what you do.